James (Chief of Vann's Old Town) Vannhad 1child. I raised eleven children just on de sweat of my hands and none of dem ever tasted anything dat was stole. Son of Di-Ga-Lo-Hi 'James' "Crazy Chief Vann and Go-sa-du-i-sga Nancy Timberlake Young Master Vann never very hard on us and he never whupped us, and ole Mistress was a widow woman and a good Christian and always kind. He was a traveler, didn't stay home much. That house was on the place my papa said he bought from Billy Jones in 1895. Marster had a big Christmas tree, oh great big tree, put on the porch. We went by Webber's Falls and filled de wagons. Joseph and his sister Mary were children of James Vann and Nannie Brown, both Cherokee of mixed-blood, with partial European ancestry. Rich Joe Vann died in Oct. 1844 when the boiler exploded on his steamboat, the "Lucy Walker" during a race with another vessel near New Albany, Ind. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. -ga Vann, Delilah Amelia Mcnair (born Vann), Sarah "sallie" Vann Nicholson Or Buzzard Trapper (born Vann), Tacah To Kah Do Key, Oct 26 1844 - Ohio, Indiana, United States, Chief "crazy" James Ti-ka-lo-hi Clement Vann, Nancy Ann Vann (born Timberlake Brown). I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. This database contains stories submitted to Ancestry family trees by users who have indicated that their tree can be . 502-524. The only song I remember from the soldiers was" "Hang Jeff Davis to a Sour Apple Tree," and I remember that because they said he used to be at Fort Gibson one time. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. The big house was made of log and stone and had big mud fireplaces. Marster had a little race horse called "Black Hock" She was all jet black, excepting three white feet and her stump of a tail. There'd be a hole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. When the Vanns were forced from their Spring Place home in 1834, they took many slaves with them when they fled to safety in Tennessee. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen, and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. I couldnt buy anything in slavery time, so I jest give the piece of money to the Vann children. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. We went down to the river for baptizings. Yes Lord Yes. It was bad, oh it was bad. I dunno her other name. I sure did love her. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. We had about twenty calves and I would take dem out and graze-em while some grown-up negro was grazing de cows so as to keep de cows milk. He was a multi-millionaire and handsome. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. We had fine satin dresses, great big combs for our hair, great big gold locket, double earrings we never wore cotton except when we worked. , Nancy Vann, John Shepherd Vann, David Vann, Jane Elizabeth Vann, Sallie Blackburn Vore (born Vann), Joseph W. Vann, William Vann, Miner https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/69753803/person/36207324186/media/f7398599-0630-429e-b3f8-1944ec3951cd?_phsrc=RGj23082&_phstart=successSource, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States, Cherokee () Principal Chiefs and Uka: Eastern, Western and Keetoowah, Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann, Principal Chief, http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster. There was seats all around for folks to watch them dance. All the colored folks lined up and the overseer he tell them what they must do that day. You know just what day you have to be back too. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. The man put dem on a block and sold em to a man dat had come in on a steamboat, and he took dem off on it when de freshet come down and de boat could go back to Fort Smith. She holler, "Easter, you go right now and make dat big buck of a boy some britches!". The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. She turned the key to the commissary too. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. Because mamma was sick then he brought her sister Sucky Pea and her husband, Charley Pea, to help around wid him. The last one was named for Hubbard Ross; he was related to Chief John Ross and was some kin to Daniel Nave, my father's master. Joseph Lewis "Rooster Crowing". Georgia known as The Chief Vann House In 1819, WA-WLI baptized by the Morav. Poeple all a visitin'. He courted a girl named Sally. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. The first time I married was to Clara Nevens, and I wore checked wool pants, and a blue striped cotton shirt. When the War come they have a big battle away west of us, but I never see any battles. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his negroes before I was born. I had one brother and one sister sold when I was little and I dont remember the names. We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. Old Master Joe had a mighty big farm and several families of Negroes, and he was a powerful rich man. They put white cloths on the shelves and laid the good on it. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. The following year, Joseph Vann and several of his black rebels died in the explosion of his steamboat Lucy Walker during a race on the Ohio River. Young, Mary., "The Cherokee Nation: Mirror of the Republic", (American Quarterly), Vol. In one month you have to get back. He took us back to Texas right down near where I was born at Bellview. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. He used to take us to where Hyge Park is and we'd all go fishin'. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasn't so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. Mammy died in Texas, and when we left Rusk County after the Civil War, pappy took us children to the graveyard. Then the preacher put you under water three times. Actually, the Assistant Principal Chief was Joseph "Tenulte" Vann, son of Avery Vann and probably a cousin of "Rich Joe" Vann. He sure stood good with de Cherokee neighbors we had, and dey all liked him. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin . I went to the missionary Baptist church where Marster and Missus went. In Georgia, during the early 1800s, slaves owned by the Vann Family made the bricks and milled the lumber used to build the Vann House in Spring Place. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. We told him bout de Pins coming for him and he just laughed. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. All my children was from the first marriage: Thomas, Dora, Charley, Marie, Opal, William, Arthur, Margaret, Thadral and Hubbard. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. There was lots of preserves. He was a British interpreter for the Cherokees at Fort Loudoun (S.C.) in 1758 and at Augusta in 1763, and continued to fill that position at the 1770 treaty negotiations. He and Master took race horses down the river, away off and they'd come back with sacks of money that them horses won in the races. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. Dey tole me some of dem was bad on negroes but I never did see none of dem night riding like some say dey did. There is no mention of Joseph Vann in the article. https://web.archive.org/web/20071026072208/http://www.cherokeebyblo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5977809/joseph-vann, Webbers Falls, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, United States of America. My grandmother Clarinda Vann, bossed the kitchen and the washing and turned the key to the big bank. We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin, and Mr. Jim Sutton and Mr. Blackburn that lived around close to us and dey all had slaves. He builds the large brick mansion house at Spring Place, Murray Country, Georgia, which stands today as a monument at its owner. Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. Dere come six children; Charley, Alec, Laura, Harry Richard and Jeffy, who waS named after Jefferson Davis. They was Cherokee Indians. My father was born in Tahlequah just about where the colored church stands on Depot Hill. We patted her grave and kissed the ground telling her goodbye. Seem like it take a powerful lot of fighting to rid the country of them Rebs. Pappy worked around the farms and fiddled for the Cherokee dances. They didn't go away, they stayed, but they tell us colored folks to go if we wanted to. I sure did love her. Oh Lord, no. In 1829 Clement Vann told General Coffee that he was 83 years old and had been in the Cherokee nation for fifty years.Therefore it is highly unlikely that he could have been the father of the Cherokee Chief, James Vann b 1766, well before Clement Vann entered the Cherokee nation. They tell us what was happening and what to do. There was a big church. Perdue, Theda, "The Conflict Within: The Cherokee Power Structure and Removal," Georgia Historical Quarterly, 73 (Fall, 1989), pp. He went to the war for three years wid the Union soldiers. Yes, my dear Lord yes. He worked in the gold mines. It look lots of clothes for all them slaves. Although Joseph Vann's body was never found, slave Lucinda Vann revealed that one of his arms had been found, positively identified, and taken to Vann's home at Webbers Falls, Oklahoma, where it was preserved for many years. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. Yes, Lord Yes. Well, I'll tell you, you pull it out from the wall something like a shelf. Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. I dont know, but that was before my time. Pappa got the soldier fever from being in the War; no, I don't mean like the chills and fever, but just a fever to be in the army, I guess for he joined the regular U.S. Army after a while, serving five years in the 10th Cavalry at Fort Sill during the same time John Adair of Tahelquah and John Gallagher of Muskogee was in the army. Master went plumb blind after he move back to Webber's Falls and so he move up on de Illinois River, about three miles from de Arkansas, and there old Mistress take de white swelling and die and den he die pretty soon. Sometimes the sleep was too deep and somebody would be late, but the master never punish anybody, and I never see anybody whipped and only one slave sold. He was the son of Joseph Daniel Vann born 1886 in Kaufman Texas, and Myrtie Maybel Vaughn born 1886 in Norcross Georgia. There was a bugler and someone called the dances. De clothes wasn't no worry neither. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. Husband of Polly Vann and Jennie Vann The slaves of the Creeks also joined those of the Cherokees and the band set out for Mexico. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. My mother was seamstress. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." The master had a bell to ring every morning at four o'clock for the folks to turn out. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. He'd take us and enjoy us, you know. The grandparents were Joseph Vann, a Scottish trader who came from the Province of South Carolina, and Cherokee Mary Christiana (Wah-Li or Wa-wli Vann). The women dressed in white, if they had a white dress to wear. I'se born right in my master and missus bed. When the Cherokees discovered that so many of their slaves had fled, they organized a search party to pursue them. Connect to the World Family Tree to find out, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Vann, Chief James Clement Ii Vann, Elizabeth (Go-sa-du-i-sga) Vann (born Thornton), Sarah "sallie" Vann Nicholson Or Buzzard Trapper (born Vann), Feb 11 1798 - Spring Place, Georgia, Old Cherokee Nation East, United States, Oct 23 1844 - Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States, Chief James Vann, Ii, Nannie Vann (born Brown), Feb 11 1798 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States. A bunch of us who was part Indian and part colored, we got our bed clothes together some hams and a lot of coffee and flour and started to Mexico. Vann. My uncle Joe was de slave boss and he tell us what de Master say do. Unfortunately, this building was later destroyed during the American Civil War. Well, I go ahead, and make me a crop of corn all by myself and then I don't know what to do wid it. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky and back. He died on September 21, 1904, and was buried in the Colville Indian Cemetery on the Colville Reservation. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. Her master was white, but he had married into de Nation and so she got a freedmen's allotment too. He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. There was lots of preserves. I am searching, primarily, for Louis, his father and mother, Anthony (Antonio, Tony) and Maria. Joseph also inherited his father's gold and deposited over $200,000 in gold in a bank in Tennessee. 33, No. By 1800 slavery had become firmly entrenched in the Five Civilized Tribes. But about the home--it was a double-room log house with a cooling-off space between the rooms, all covered with a roof, but no porch, and the beds was made of planks, the table of pine boards, and there was never enough boxes for the chairs so the littlest children eat out of a tin pan off the floor. A whole half of ribs sold for twenty-five cents. The city is divided into two parts: the old town, on a high hill, and the modern area, on level ground, which is fully connected to the city . Sometimes they fish in the Illinois river, sometimes in the Grand, but they always fish the same way. Dey was all wid the south, but dey was a lot of dem Pin Indians all up on de Illinois River and dey was wid de North and dey taken it out on de slave owners a lot before de War and during it too. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. We put all the bed clothes on its back. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. Some 3,500 interviews were conducted. I'm goin' give Lucy this black mare. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. When Marster Jim and Missus Jennie went away, the slaves would have a big dance in the arbor. She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. Joseph William Vann Born 26 July 1770 - Edgefield District, South Carolina Territory Deceased 23 July 1854 - Demopolis, Sumter Co, Alabama, USA,aged 83 years old Parents Edward Jr. Vann 1738-1822 Mary King 1743-1786 Spouses and children Married in 1795, Edgefield, South Carolina, USA, to Lucy Jones 1773-1822 with Margaret Peggy Vann 1796-1857 I had to work in the kitchen when I was a gal, and they was ten or twelve children smaller than me for me to look after, too. My uncle used to baptize 'em. Circa 1736 - 1815 Chief John Joseph Vann 1736 1815 Kansas. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. He didn't want em to imagine he give one more than he give the other. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. I know he is right, too. Some of the Masters family was always going down to the river and back, and every time they come in I have to fix something to eat. Mammy had the wagon and two oxen and we worked a good size patch there until she died, and then I git married to Cal Robertson to have somebody to take care of me. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. 5 May 1910, d. 2002, Illinois. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. After the Removal, Joseph Vann was chosen the first Assistant Chief of the united Cherokee Nation under the new 1839 Constitution that was created in Indian Territory (Oklahoma), serving with Principal Chief John Ross. There was a big dinner bell in the yard. When the Indians decided to return home for reinforcements, the slaves started moving again toward Mexico. Vinita was the closeset town to where I was born; when I get older seem like they call it "the junction" on account the rails cross there, but I never ride on the trains, just stay at home. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." She bossed all the other colored women and see that they sew it right. My uncle used to baptize 'em. Christmas lasted a whole month. I dunno her other name. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboats couldn't run. That mean't she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. I found your family in the 1880/1900 census. The cooks would bring big iron pots, and cook things right there. All the Vann marsters was good looking. A town was laid out on his Hamilton Country farm which was called, Vanntown. Two year old when my mamma died so I remember nothing of her, and most of my sisters and brothers dead too. Dey called young Mr. Joe "Little Joe Vann" even after he was grown on account of when he was a little boy before his pappy was killed. Yes Lord yes. A brother was owned by another Vann Family in Tahlequah. Mother Martha Price McNair (Vann) Father David Lewis "Jesse" "Cherokee Chief""Iron Head" Vann (Killed by Pin Indians in Civil War) Quick access. Joseph Vann was born February 11, 1798 near Springplace in the Cherokee Nation (now Georgia) the son of James Vann and Nancy Brown. The people conducting the interviews from 1936-1938 were instructed to write the material gleaned from the interviews as closely as possible to the speech patterns of the former slaves they interviewed. How did they hear about it at home? She married as her second husband, Thomas Mitchell. when a guy asks how you're feeling; should i remove him from social media; artisan homes marsh view; who was the opera singer in moonstruck; what happened to sophie stuckey Young Joseph was his father's favorite child and primary recipient of his father's estate and wealth. In slavery time the Cherokee negroes do like anybody else when they is a death---jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. Lord, Yes! My pappy was a kind of a boss of the negroes that run the boat, and they all belong to Old Maser Joe. When crop was laid by de slaves jest work round at dis and dat and keep tol'able busy. My mammy was a Crossland Negro before she come to belong to Master Joe and marry my pappy, and I think she come wid old Mistress and belong to her. I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. They get something they need too. But later on I got a freedman's allotment up in dat part close to Coffeyville, and I lived in Coffeyville a while but I didn't like it in Kansas. Everybody had fine clothes everybody had plenty to eat. There'd be races and people would have things what they was sellin' like moccasins and beads. Mammy got a wagon and we traveled around a few days and go to Fort Gibson. Do you know what I am going to do? She had some land close to Catoosa and some down on Greenleaf Creek. Joseph was the son of a Chief of the Cherokees James Vann, and Nancy Brown Vann. They was so many of us for dat little field we never did have to work hard. They get something they need too. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. Indians wouldn't allow their slaves to take their husband's name. I went to see dem lots of times and they was always glad to see me. Rende is a comune (municipality) in the province of Cosenza, Calabria, Italy, home to the headquarters of the University of Calabria.It has a population of about 35,000, or more than 60,000 if the university students living there are taken into account. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. Dey was both raised round Webber's Falls somewhere. All the slaves lived in a log house. Lots of bad things have come to me, but the good Father, high up, He take care of me. Born on February 11, 1798, in Murray County in northwest Georgia, Vann was the son of Chief James Vann and Margaret "Peggy" Scott. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. Numerous others had previously gone to Oklahoma when their masters voluntarily relocated. 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